Curse

Greed[Exs] · May 27, 2010, 01:34 PM // 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Every Step You Take

What a waste of an already weak game. How can Anet ban players who had no other choice but to play the meta? Keep reading, dont start qqing already. Hear me out. Anet took MONTHS to fix a simple problem that other games fix upon release. A simple cheatshield or something would have stopped all .dll injections and stopped this huge incident. The funny part is the guy who created the bots claims he warned anet, he told them of how easy it was, he showed them examples and all he got was a "yah well take care of it thanks". Did they? No. So he decided i guess ill release it and see if Anet finally mans up to their short comings openly rather than avoiding all problems and admitting no fault. How is a player supposed to enjoy playing a game where bots run the economy and run the pvp? Are we supposed to just sit with our hands in our laps waiting for Anet to take action? They really think that banning these people for their short comings will solve anything? Havent we seen this before? *cough*mallyx glitch*cough*duping*cough*. They need to learn to control their servers and stop constantly creating glitches. The difference between then and now is that you could avoid and ignore those past events on the grounds of ohh its just the economy. But bots can farm nonstop for days. They can win Hall Of Heroes all night and all day without fear. They can perma rupt both monks in a gvg making it stupid easy to wipe any team. They LET bots overrun the game and they LOST most of their player base due to it. Blame the players and issue bans but they gotta know these people arent gonna be buying new account and for sure wont be buying guildwars2 accounts. They are just throwing away money now. Its a joke. ANet needs to fix this mistake before it costs them 75% of their prior player base.

Thanks for this, I'm glad I'm not the only one who fully understands the situation. It's like taking a town in which people are disappearing without a trace daily and then wiping out the majority of the remaining population. Botters or not, ANet are enablers and have let this go on since release. So what? Ban them now? GJHF

And when people are enabled, they do. So what happens to the rest of, prices flux, some things become excessively expensive, others rediculously cheap. So, others seeing that the community watchdog is letting this happen, and realizing that "Hey, if they can get away with it, why should I be on the backburner when I can be making money and doing this too? It's only fair right?"

I don't think most of you realize the severity of this issue. They have just lost a large portion of the player base. Yes, some will buy new accounts, but really, how many? The game is 5 years old and dying, although ANet has claimed they will not shut down the Guild Wars servers until the last player stops playing, but they have also made claims many times over that haven't been seen through. I just think everybody needs to look it things as they are and hey, I could be wrong, things could get better... but if there is one thing I've learned (especially in the case of this game), expect nothing, or better yet worse than nothing (because things are bound to go wrong) and hope for the best. Because when things fall through, what then? Nothing but frustration.

Arduin · May 27, 2010, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I like the people comparing botting to murder. Reminds me of godwin's law.

True, especially because it has been said by a botter himself.

shadows of hob · May 27, 2010, 01:38 PM // 13:38

It is funny, 1/2 of the botters just admit it and get over it easily and the other 1/2 are mad about it....

You used a bot! You deserve this ban! I seriously hope that they are not going to give people their acounts back if they complain enough....

Greed[Exs] · May 27, 2010, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strife17

Incorrect I believe,

My friend used a bot 3-4 years ago. with 55hp monk troll farm and those minotaurs in elona reach mission.

His account wasn't banned.

He gave me his account few months ago and still isn't banned ( he only has proph, so I just use his account to get 5year presents)

I believe they only ban recent botters. like 1-2years max.

It would be irrationally to punish someone for their acts committed 4 years ago in a game. (in this context, not a murder orsomething lol)

And as such also irrational to punish someone for an act commited even 2 years ago. It was just an example, that's still a lot of time that can be put in over a 2 year period, even a 1 year period. I'm just saying things should have been dealt with to begin with by implementing better security measures instead of waiting 5 years to hit pretty well everyone that has ever botted with a baseball bat (or in this case, Dhuum's Scythe). Which by the way, may have been amusing, but why spend the extra time and waste the extra effort if they feel that this issue is so important.

Gli · May 27, 2010, 01:40 PM // 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greed[Exs]

I don't think most of you realize the severity of this issue. They have just lost a large portion of the player base.

I know! The portion no one needs. Isn't it beautiful?

cormac ap dunn · May 27, 2010, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greed[Exs]

I don't think most of you realize the severity of this issue. They have just lost a large portion of the player base... Because when things fall through, what then? Nothing but frustration.

I don't think you realize just what we "lost" sitting in LA this morning i was delighted to see absolutely NO spam bots selling gold/accounts/stupidity en mas. The best part of your post was all the frustration YOU obviously have, think i can speak for those of us who didn't cheat when i say we aren't frustrated in the least

cya in gam...oh too soon?

aspi · May 27, 2010, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

1. I like this forum, and posted here even on times when I hadn't played GW for weeks.

2. I can play the game if I want, since my secondary account wasn't banned, so the joke's kind of on you. That said, I don't really feel like getting that account back to where my primary one was. It'd take far too long.

And you can't use a bot to get there

Ok you can but that would be an epic tail of stupidity.

jonnieboi05 · May 27, 2010, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greed[Exs]

And as such also irrational to punish someone for an act commited even 2 years ago.

O'rly? So, by your logic, the guy in the news a few years back who got away with murder for nearly 60 years (whom is now in his late 80s btw) should NOT have been imprisoned due to it "being so long ago" ? Puh-leeeeease. "How long ago it was" does NOT justify doing shit that is considered illegal (both IRL and in-game).

Grow up.

Riot Narita · May 27, 2010, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greed[Exs]

And when people are enabled, they do.

No. People know the risks, and make their choices accordingly.

I knew there was bot software. I'm sure it would have been trivially easy to download it and use it. In other words, I was "enabled". But I chose not to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greed[Exs]

"Hey, if they can get away with it, why should I be on the backburner when I can be making money and doing this too?

Um. Because they know its wrong, they know the risks, and they have the tiniest scrap of willpower?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greed[Exs]

They have just lost a large portion of the player base.

No. They lost a bunch of cheats and botters. Not players. And not a large proportion either.

Stéphane Lo Presti · May 27, 2010, 01:46 PM // 13:46

Please contact support if you have any question about your account being banned, posting information about your situation on a public GW forum is not going to help.

Regarding other questions about banning rules, we won't explain them in details for the reasons James Phinney explained in the ArenaNet blog post. It took us a long time to put in place the measures James describes. Remember that "If you have any doubts about whether or not something is allowed by the User Agreement, don’t do it. Don’t take that risk.".

Alesa · May 27, 2010, 01:52 PM // 13:52

This is really good information for those looking to appeal about how NCSoft works as a heads up! So you can get some help. I know a lot are going to be frustrated when told that there is "no appeal" but you have to just persist. I wish our CM's would tell people about this, that the first standard response from NCSoft is that there's nothing you can do:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theocrat

Just as a warning, this will be the first reply you will get if you email support regarding wrongful banning:

Quote:

Hello,

Your Guild Wars account has been closed for botting and/or the use of a third-party program. We want you to know that we take great care when analyzing accounts prior to termination.
For additional information on the User Agreement and Rules of Conduct, please visit the links below:

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php
http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php

Regards,
GM [Whoever gets the job of copypasting this reply here]
The Guild Wars Support Team

And should you pursue the matter further, this will be your second reply:

Quote:

Hello,

Due to the third-party program violations committed by this account, it will remain closed. We will not accept appeals in cases such as this because of the depth of the analysis prior to the block.

Please keep in mind that Guild Wars is a global game with hundreds of thousands of players. This means that standards of behavior must be upheld and we will take all necessary actions to protect the Guild Wars community and to assure that players are abiding by our User Agreement and Rules of Conduct.

Regards,
GM [Whoever gets the job of copypasting this reply here]
The Guild Wars Support Team

You may or may not get the following reply if you are still trying to discuss the issue with Support after the above two replies to your ticket:

Quote:

Hello,

Thank you for contacting the Guild Wars Support Team.

I am escalating your ticket to our Guild Wars senior staff members to assist you further. Once they have reviewed your question, one of them will contact you as soon as possible.

Regards,
GM [Whoever gets the job of copypasting this reply here]
The Guild Wars Support Team

This set of replies has been in use for years now, so anyone who hasn't had any experience with NCSoft Support should be aware that you will not get help until after being told you won't get any help. This is normal, so just grin and bear it. Yes, you will be told you do not have any chance to appeal even though you have likely been directed to Support to do just that by Gaile, Regina, or another ArenaNet employee. Again, this is completely normal, and is just how NCSoft Support works. Take it in stride and keep trying.

Greed[Exs] · May 27, 2010, 01:55 PM // 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

Two things I forgot to add in my previous post:

1) Those saying GW should/should have implemented cheat shield/*insert bot prevention program here*: Ever stopped to think they had considered it, but it was incompatible with their software? There could have been issues that interfered with the client or the servers. Just an idea

That's a horrible excuse for not implementing security measures. If it doesn't work, make it work. If you can't make it work, get someone to make it work for you. If you have as some in this thread have claimed to be one of the most popular or most played games, then you have time to work things out, and if you don't, you MAKE time. And they sure as hell have the money and resources, I don't know the current numbers, but consider this. In late 2006 the had just achieved over 3 million sales (not accounts, campaigns), now figure each one at $20 to be fair (due to the fact that ANet doesn't recieve the full purchase amount, etc.). 3'000'000 x 20 =60'000'000...

$60 million dollars made before expenses back in 2006. And this was 4 years ago... So... they had more than enough to implement some form of anti-cheat system, but didn't so again I say... the situation was enabled by ANet.

Sir Cusfreak · May 27, 2010, 01:58 PM // 13:58

I guess the "petition to demand a response" was answered huh? LOOL hahahahahahaha
ah, it's a great day in Tyria.
I love ANET. Sorry i ever doubted.

Happy Birthday, guys.
<3

<praying for certain VERY SPECIFIC PEOPLE's bans - I hate so many of you guys, I really do. Cheater Scum.> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

now if only they would gtfo of here too, it'd be just like xmas!!!

ZainAhmed · May 27, 2010, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnieBoi05

O'rly? So, by your logic, the guy in the news a few years back who got away with murder for nearly 60 years (whom is now in his late 80s btw) should NOT have been imprisoned due to it "being so long ago" ? Puh-leeeeease. "How long ago it was" does NOT justify doing shit that is considered illegal (both IRL and in-game).

Grow up.

What a weirdo...actually takes gaming seriously as to compare botting to murder....XD

Voltis · May 27, 2010, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stéphane Lo Presti

Please contact support if you have any question about your account being banned, posting information about your situation on a public GW forum is not going to help.

Regarding other questions about banning rules, we won't explain them in details for the reasons James Phinney explained in the ArenaNet blog post. It took us a long time to put in place the measures James describes. Remember that "If you have any doubts about whether or not something is allowed by the User Agreement, don’t do it. Don’t take that risk.".

But, Stéphane, the problem is that support REFUSE to discuss and just answer by a pre-formated answer.

Mais, Stéphane, la problème est que le support REFUSE de discuter et répond seulement par une réponse pré-formatée.

EDIT :
I got the EXACTLY the same messages, but in french, than Alesa in post #539.

J'ai eu EXACTEMENT les même messages, mais en français, qu'Alesa au post #539.

Dervish Kid · May 27, 2010, 02:03 PM // 14:03

gz ban more.. go to bergen, still a few in non american districts..

Gill Halendt · May 27, 2010, 02:03 PM // 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greed[Exs]

So... they had more than enough to implement some form of anti-cheat system, but didn't so again I say... the situation was enabled by ANet.

Looks like there is: they can detect botters and react to violations to the rules, dishing out suspensions.

Well... It's called free-will: the mere fact that nothing prevents you from installing bots or hacks (so, you're "enabled") doesn't make them legit or allowed. It's your choice to do it, it's your choice to pay the eventual consequences.

Assasin Foxx · May 27, 2010, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Used texmod and Multiclient now im botting, anyways was a fun 7k hours, will miss friends

But mctiggers can get unbanneD?

Rocky Raccoon · May 27, 2010, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greed[Exs]

Thanks for this, I'm glad I'm not the only one who fully understands the situation. It's like taking a town in which people are disappearing without a trace daily and then wiping out the majority of the remaining population. Botters or not, ANet are enablers and have let this go on since release. So what? Ban them now? GJHF

And when people are enabled, they do. So what happens to the rest of, prices flux, some things become excessively expensive, others rediculously cheap. So, others seeing that the community watchdog is letting this happen, and realizing that "Hey, if they can get away with it, why should I be on the backburner when I can be making money and doing this too? It's only fair right?"

I don't think most of you realize the severity of this issue. They have just lost a large portion of the player base. Yes, some will buy new accounts, but really, how many? The game is 5 years old and dying, although ANet has claimed they will not shut down the Guild Wars servers until the last player stops playing, but they have also made claims many times over that haven't been seen through. I just think everybody needs to look it things as they are and hey, I could be wrong, things could get better... but if there is one thing I've learned (especially in the case of this game), expect nothing, or better yet worse than nothing (because things are bound to go wrong) and hope for the best. Because when things fall through, what then? Nothing but frustration.

Good Riddance.

Greed[Exs] · May 27, 2010, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

I don't think you realize just what we "lost" sitting in LA this morning i was delighted to see absolutely NO spam bots selling gold/accounts/stupidity en mas. The best part of your post was all the frustration YOU obviously have, think i can speak for those of us who didn't cheat when i say we aren't frustrated in the least

cya in gam...oh too soon?

Actually, the funny thing is, I'm not frustrated about being banned because... well, I wasn't. I'm not frustrated about botting because... well, I have never ever used a bot in any game nor have I used anything to give myself an unfair advantage over other players. I think it is 100% wrong, and part of me is extremely glad that so many "botters" or so they have been claimed are gone. What I'm frustrated about is that it took 5 years to do something, and when they finally did, they didn't take preventative action like implementing a long overdue cheat protection system. They instead covered up their flaws with a fancy little emote that "drags the characters to the underworld", never to be seen again. Honestly, I really do hope this is for the better. I just think that something should have been done a long time ago. And at this point, I hope the state of the game doesn't go further downhill than it has already gone.